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- From: finnh@ak.planet.gen.nz (finn)
- Subject: Re: Why are europeans dumb enough to buy amigas?
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- Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 00:50:19 GMT
-
- >On 24 Mar 1996 06:01:09 GMT, tempest@netins.net wrote:
-
- >>Starts at? What exactly do you mean by starts at? 640x200x4 colors nobody
- >>uses, why would they when they can use more? Again you are either trying
- >>your best to be stupid or it comes natural for you.
-
- >Either you believe everyone has an AGA Amiga with sw flickerfixer, or
- >A3000 w/hw flickerfixer, or you're just whining. I have this
- >overwhelming impress you speak out of one side of your mouth when
- >talking about Amiga prices (ie no monitor - use your TV!) and another
- >when telling me "no one" uses 640x200x4.
-
- what is the s/w flickerfixer, That is crap. The AGA chipset supports all of
- the modes in hardware, they are just software controlled by the drivers. All
- you need is a decent Monitor, and you are on your way. No one does use
- 640x256x4, most people with TVs I know use 640x256x256.
-
- >>>640x400x256 colors. It's a joke. No OLE, no Internet, no networking,
- >>
- >>Max? Again you are the joke. 640x400? max? No you are clueless to Amiga
- >>standard resolutions (without gfx card). 800x600 / 724x566 , depending
- >>on the monitor driver you use, these are the max resoultions with no
- >>flicker. Higher iwth flicker. With a gfx card however they are the same or
- >>greater than whatever you use on an ibm (which is using a gfx card lamer)
- >>Don't show such ignorance.
-
- >It's no ignorence. Everything else is a customized graphics mode.
- >The 640x400 is the maximum practical non-overscanned resolution of the
- >non-AGA Amiga. Yes, my Amiga did 724x484, but I suspect most Amiga
- >owners didn't fiddle quite as much with it as I did.
-
- Non-Overscanned? That is just like saying 640x480 is the max res on a PC if
- you don't use 800x600. Stupid.
-
- >>My Amiga is doing 1280x1024x256 colors, or I can go to 800x600 in 16.7
- >>milion colors. These are non-interlace modes.. Take out your graphics
- >>card in your ibm and tell me how great your resoultion and color is. :)
-
- >:) You have a graphics card?
-
- Yes he does, but so do all PCs, they don't have _any_ gfx on the motherboard.
-
- >>No internet? No Networking? My Amiga networks and surfs just fine. Again
- >>you don't have a clue.
-
- >It's pathetic compared with what's on the PC. If you think otherwise
- >you just haven't seen anything other than Netscape. Try webbing over
- >to www.windows95.com.
-
- really? I couldn't get Win95 to dial in to my account. I had the Amiga set
- upp within 1 hr. I spent 5 hours trying to get the PC working, but I decided
- Crap M$ software wasn't worth that effort.
-
- Plus, what area of 'net software were you talking about? I have FTP mounted
- as a device on my workbench, an OK WWW browser that doesn't crash, and will
- soon support Netscape HTML codes. My Mailer-News-OfflineReader program only
- costs $30, and uis better than anything for the price on the PC. Better than
- anything for less than $150 on the PC for that matter.
-
- >>You plug hardware in on an AMiga, copy the device driver to the devs
- >>directory, and you are done.
-
- >Really? You're telling me that's what you did to get the graphics
- >card working? I don't think so.
-
- I don't know about GFX cards, but with everyting I have used it has either
- required no software at all, or one device driver and a mount command.
-
- >>on ibm you must also copy software to the computer and then fuck with it for
- >>a week, even plug and pray shit. After this week, if you are lucky, it will
- >>work. I think Amiga's autoconfig is 100000000x nicer, easier, and hey it
- >>works!
-
- >Nah. I just added a NIC to a friend's Toshiba 486/50 machine. As
- >soon as I plugged the card in, it was configured. Hot swapping, too!
- >(It was a PC Card.) No Amiga offers that.
-
- Yes, but what if the PC gets it wrong? I have had severe problems with
- network cards and CD-ROM drives on Win95.
-
- Plus, do you really want to use a machine with an OS written by people who
- automatcally upload your directory structure if you connect to the M$ network
- with Win95?
-
- >>Amiga's 10 years ago had better auto config than ibm's have today still.
- >>Don't even try to compare. Most Plug/Play hardware dont autoconfig, it is a
- >>joke.
-
- >You're PC illiterate.
-
- I'm not, and I agree.
-
- >>>Absolutely false. I recently added a CDROM to my system. I stuck it
- >>>in, connected it, and turned the machine on. With no interaction on
- >>>my part, it found the CDROM, and I then saw it as another drive
- >>>letter. Case closed.
- >>
- >>It is not false acorn, half the time someone tries to add hardware that is
- >>suppose to be worry free plug and play, it takes just as long as it use to,
- >>or doesnt even work. Adding hardware to ibm's is a joke, even with the
- >>failed plug and play crap.
-
- >Works perfectly for me. Hmm...perhaps either A) I know what I'm doing
- >or B) I've actually -done- what I'm describing. Maybe both...
-
- Well I did exactly what you describe (and what the Win95 help says to do) and
- P&P still doesn't work properly.
-
- >>Lets see.. I can get an Amiga 3000 with 060 50mhz processor board for
- >>about $1600. That is not bad in my book. I consider that very cheap.
- >>Even if you can get ibm pentiums cheaper, who cares.. they suck. I am
- >>willing to pay any price to have a quailty computer system without the
- >>crap you have to put up with on ibm's and mac's. They just don't compare
- >>to an Amiga.
-
- >Putting up with crap is why I got sick of the Amiga. No software, no
- >hardware, too expensive.
-
- Lots of software, Works with most PC hardware (other than cards), and you get
- what you pay for.
-
- >>>offered in Win95 aren't understood by you?
- >>
- >>Windows 95 was a failure. It didn't stand up to the claims of microsoft and
- >>has proven once again how poor their quality is.
-
- >You still haven't told me how it's failed...
-
- O.k, here goes:
- It is 20 times slower than the Amiga OS
- It is unstable
- It is made by corparate spies (see above)
- It doesn't multitask properly
- It accesses the HDD every second for no reason, even with all the stuff like
- the system agent turned off
- It takes 20 seconds of HDD access just to _stop_ playing doom
- It freezes up four times, with one second intervals, every couple of minutes
-
- and that is just a start.
-
- To prove how good M$ are at writing software, look at Amigabasic, their only
- Amiga product ever. That is the worst implementation of Basic on the Amiga.
-
- Finn Higgins
-
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